There was a time, not so long ago, that the Cardinals were the envy of General Managers everywhere for their pitching depth. You think your team has good pitching depth? We had 3 guys who can throw 95+ mph (Shelby Miller, Joe Kelly and Trevor Rosenthal) vying for our 5th starter spot in 2013.
Now, with the expectation that Adam Wainwright will miss the rest of the season with an Achilles tendon injury, per Ken Rosenthal, the Cardinals pitching depth, or lack thereof, is going to come into question.
Gone are Joe Kelly (traded to Boston last year for John Lackey) and Shelby Miller (traded for Jason Heyward). Rosenthal is the Cardinals closer and the pipeline of power arms seems to have dried up.
Now the Cards pitching depth consists of a bunch of lefty control specialists (Marco Gonzales, Tim Cooney and Tyler Lyons), while the team's remaining minor league power arms are either being groomed for relief (Sam Tuivailala) or are too far away from the majors to offer much help this year (Alex Reyes).
What is even more concerning is that, while he should have been groomed as a starter and allowed to build up his innings each year, Carlos Martinez spent the last two years in the Cardinals bullpen and, as a result, he will likely face an innings limit this year (speculated to be around 150 innings).
Another concern is that Michael Wacha will likely be on a similar innings limit as well, after a stress fracture sidelined him for a few months last year.
Assuming that Wainwright is out for the year and Martinez and Wacha reach their innings limits in mid-to-late August, who is going to step in to fill those voids? Who will be in the Cardinals rotation in the playoffs? Will they even make the playoffs?
These are legitimate concerns for a team that use to pride itself on its pitching depth. What use to be a strength now appears to be a weakness and the team could suffer as a result.
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Sunday, April 26, 2015
Saturday, April 25, 2015
Adam Wainwright injured: Who might replace him in Cardinals' rotation?
In case you missed it, Adam Wainwright was injured tonight trying to get out of the batter's box on a popup of all things. He will undergo an MRI to see the extent of the injury, but its likely he's headed to the DL.
Its uncertain how long he will be out, with some speculating that, if he has a torn Achilles, he could miss the rest of the season. However, that is the worst case scenario.
At a minimum, he will probably miss at least one start, leading to the question of who will replace him in the starting rotation? Here are the Cardinals' options:
Marco Gonzales
The first and most logical choice is Marco Gonzales. He pitched well during the spring, losing out in the 5th starter race to Carlos Martinez, despite going 3-0 with a 1.04 ERA.
As an added bonus, he is already on the 40-man roster, so calling him up would not cause the Cards any roster management headaches.
The only problem with Gonzo is that he has not pitched too well in the early going at AAA, with a 4.50 ERA in 3 starts.
Tim Cooney
Cooney has fared the best of any of the AAA starters, with a 3.63 ERA in 3 starts. His stuff is reminiscent of Gonzales, relying on his changeup and control, instead of trying to overpower hitters. However, he is not as far along as Gonzales and the Cards may want to give him more time to develop.
Add in the fact that he is not on the 40-man roster and its unlikely that he gets the call.
Tyler Lyons
Yet another lefty, like Gonzales and Cooney, Lyons has made 12 starts for the Cardinals over the last two years, serving mostly as a stopgap until someone better was ready to take over.
He could serve the same function this year, if the Cards feel that the need to give Gonzales more time to get into a groove or if they think Wainwright will only miss a minimal amount of time.
He is also on the 40-man roster, which is an added bonus.
UPDATE:
It appears that the Wainwright is going to miss the rest of the year with an Achilles injury, so Gonzales is the likely choice to fill in. However, Gonzales is currently dealing with a shoulder/pectoral muscle injury, so Lyons will likely get the call in the short term.
Of course, they could always trade for Cole Hamels, but that is a story for another day....
Its uncertain how long he will be out, with some speculating that, if he has a torn Achilles, he could miss the rest of the season. However, that is the worst case scenario.
At a minimum, he will probably miss at least one start, leading to the question of who will replace him in the starting rotation? Here are the Cardinals' options:
Marco Gonzales
The first and most logical choice is Marco Gonzales. He pitched well during the spring, losing out in the 5th starter race to Carlos Martinez, despite going 3-0 with a 1.04 ERA.
As an added bonus, he is already on the 40-man roster, so calling him up would not cause the Cards any roster management headaches.
The only problem with Gonzo is that he has not pitched too well in the early going at AAA, with a 4.50 ERA in 3 starts.
Tim Cooney
Cooney has fared the best of any of the AAA starters, with a 3.63 ERA in 3 starts. His stuff is reminiscent of Gonzales, relying on his changeup and control, instead of trying to overpower hitters. However, he is not as far along as Gonzales and the Cards may want to give him more time to develop.
Add in the fact that he is not on the 40-man roster and its unlikely that he gets the call.
Tyler Lyons
Yet another lefty, like Gonzales and Cooney, Lyons has made 12 starts for the Cardinals over the last two years, serving mostly as a stopgap until someone better was ready to take over.
He could serve the same function this year, if the Cards feel that the need to give Gonzales more time to get into a groove or if they think Wainwright will only miss a minimal amount of time.
He is also on the 40-man roster, which is an added bonus.
UPDATE:
It appears that the Wainwright is going to miss the rest of the year with an Achilles injury, so Gonzales is the likely choice to fill in. However, Gonzales is currently dealing with a shoulder/pectoral muscle injury, so Lyons will likely get the call in the short term.
Of course, they could always trade for Cole Hamels, but that is a story for another day....
Monday, June 23, 2014
Could the latest injuries to the Cardinals starting rotation make them more likely to pursue David Price?
The recent losses of Michael Wacha and Jaime Garcia have created a big hole in the Cardinals starting rotation. Carlos Martinez will fill one of those spots, however, he has made just two big league starts and it remains to be seen how he will fare. The other replacement is likely to be Tyler Lyons, who has a career 5.89 ERA as a starter.
Obviously, the Cardinals could use some help.
Which brings us back to David Price.
According to Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times, "the Cardinals have been watching the Rays closely recently" and were among the teams watching Price pitch on June 20th. Topkin also suggested that the Cards recent injuries could increase their interest in Price.
Of course, interest in the left handed ace will be high. Topkin suggested that the Dodgers are likely the frontrunner to land Price, with the Giants, Braves, Angels, A's, Indians and the surprising Marlins also possibilities.
However, despite recently losing Gavin Floyd to injury, Dave O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution says that the Braves are unlikely to pursue Price. The Braves are already over budget and have a solid rotation with Julio Teheran, Mike Minor, Ervin Santana, Aaron Harang and Alex Wood.
Also, while you can never rule out the Rays trading Price within their own division, it would likely cost those teams, such as the Yankees, considerably more to acquire him.
Topkin also suggested that the Rays trade Price now, an idea echoed by Gary Shelton of the Tampa Bay Times. Price is obviously unhappy in Tampa, what with the team in last place and the constant trade rumors. Its best to move him now, especially before the market for the other top tier pitchers, such as Jeff Samardzija and Cliff Lee heats up.
Needless to say, the trade market just got a whole lot more interesting for the Cardinals and things could happen quickly.
Obviously, the Cardinals could use some help.
Which brings us back to David Price.
According to Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times, "the Cardinals have been watching the Rays closely recently" and were among the teams watching Price pitch on June 20th. Topkin also suggested that the Cards recent injuries could increase their interest in Price.
Of course, interest in the left handed ace will be high. Topkin suggested that the Dodgers are likely the frontrunner to land Price, with the Giants, Braves, Angels, A's, Indians and the surprising Marlins also possibilities.
However, despite recently losing Gavin Floyd to injury, Dave O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution says that the Braves are unlikely to pursue Price. The Braves are already over budget and have a solid rotation with Julio Teheran, Mike Minor, Ervin Santana, Aaron Harang and Alex Wood.
Also, while you can never rule out the Rays trading Price within their own division, it would likely cost those teams, such as the Yankees, considerably more to acquire him.
Topkin also suggested that the Rays trade Price now, an idea echoed by Gary Shelton of the Tampa Bay Times. Price is obviously unhappy in Tampa, what with the team in last place and the constant trade rumors. Its best to move him now, especially before the market for the other top tier pitchers, such as Jeff Samardzija and Cliff Lee heats up.
Needless to say, the trade market just got a whole lot more interesting for the Cardinals and things could happen quickly.
Sunday, June 22, 2014
Cardinals lose 40% of their starting rotation. What next?
While not as bad as losing a lead in the last couple minutes of your soccer match, the Cardinals starting rotation sustained a big blow today when both Michael Wacha and Jaime Garcia were placed on the DL due to shoulder issues.
For Garcia, shoulder issues are nothing new. What is surprising is that he was able to come back and pitch effectively, even if it was just 7 starts. Garcia reaggravated his left shoulder, which was surgically repaired last year.
On the other hand, Wacha suffered what is being called a stress reaction in his pitching shoulder and will miss at least a few weeks, probably more.
Carlos Martinez, who made his second start today while filling in for Wacha, will stay in the rotation for the foreseeable future, while the Cardinals have yet to name a replacement for Garcia, who was scheduled to pitch Wednesday.
The most likely option is Tyler Lyons, who last pitched on June 19th and is on the 40-man roster. However, he might not be the best option if these injuries stretch out over a month.
Joe Kelly, who started the season in the rotation before suffering a hamstring injury, is almost ready to start a rehab assignment and could be ready to rejoin the rotation in early July.
In any case, this is just another test of the Cardinals depth and it will be interesting to see if this changes the Cards targets as the trade deadline approached.
For Garcia, shoulder issues are nothing new. What is surprising is that he was able to come back and pitch effectively, even if it was just 7 starts. Garcia reaggravated his left shoulder, which was surgically repaired last year.
On the other hand, Wacha suffered what is being called a stress reaction in his pitching shoulder and will miss at least a few weeks, probably more.
Carlos Martinez, who made his second start today while filling in for Wacha, will stay in the rotation for the foreseeable future, while the Cardinals have yet to name a replacement for Garcia, who was scheduled to pitch Wednesday.
The most likely option is Tyler Lyons, who last pitched on June 19th and is on the 40-man roster. However, he might not be the best option if these injuries stretch out over a month.
Joe Kelly, who started the season in the rotation before suffering a hamstring injury, is almost ready to start a rehab assignment and could be ready to rejoin the rotation in early July.
In any case, this is just another test of the Cardinals depth and it will be interesting to see if this changes the Cards targets as the trade deadline approached.
Tuesday, May 13, 2014
Jaime Garcia set to return to Cardinals rotation and other notes
Tyler Lyons was placed on the 15-day DL today, one day after getting roughed up by the Cubs. While that is an interesting move (considering that Mike Matheny left him in the game long enough to give up 9 runs in 4 innings), what is more interesting is who might replace him in the rotation...Jaime Garcia.
Garcia pitched 5 innings on Monday for AAA Memphis, giving up just 2 runs on 3 hits, while striking out 5. It was just his second rehab appearance, but speculation has already begun that he will get the call for the Cardinals on Saturday.
If Garcia makes the start on Saturday, it will be one year to the day from his last major league start, which came on May 17, 2013 against the Brewers.
It will be interesting to see if he still has the same stuff as he had before his shoulder issues. Shoulder injuries are the most difficult to come back from as a pitcher, so here's hoping for the best for Garcia.
In other news, GM John Mozeliak indicated that Kolten Wong could be recalled soon. He's reportedly "checked all the boxes" while hitting .344/.382/.484 in 15 games since his demotion.
The Cardinals are certainly looking for any kind of spark to their offense (as long as it does not involve calling up Oscar Taveras before June) and Mark Ellis (.203/.273/237) hasn't exactly been tearing it up as Wong's replacement.
Finally, the Cards continue to shuffle the back end of their bullpen, calling up both lefty Sam Freeman and righty Jorge Rondon, while sending down Eric Fornataro and placing Lyons on the DL. However, their stays may be short as one of them will be replaced by Garcia this weekend, while the other could soon be replaced by the rehabbing Jason Motte.
Motte has yet to give up a run in 5 appearances between AA Springfield and AAA Memphis (4.2 IP, 2 hits, 1 walk, 3 K's) and his return would certainly provide a boost to the Cardinals pen.
Garcia pitched 5 innings on Monday for AAA Memphis, giving up just 2 runs on 3 hits, while striking out 5. It was just his second rehab appearance, but speculation has already begun that he will get the call for the Cardinals on Saturday.
If Garcia makes the start on Saturday, it will be one year to the day from his last major league start, which came on May 17, 2013 against the Brewers.
It will be interesting to see if he still has the same stuff as he had before his shoulder issues. Shoulder injuries are the most difficult to come back from as a pitcher, so here's hoping for the best for Garcia.
In other news, GM John Mozeliak indicated that Kolten Wong could be recalled soon. He's reportedly "checked all the boxes" while hitting .344/.382/.484 in 15 games since his demotion.
The Cardinals are certainly looking for any kind of spark to their offense (as long as it does not involve calling up Oscar Taveras before June) and Mark Ellis (.203/.273/237) hasn't exactly been tearing it up as Wong's replacement.
Finally, the Cards continue to shuffle the back end of their bullpen, calling up both lefty Sam Freeman and righty Jorge Rondon, while sending down Eric Fornataro and placing Lyons on the DL. However, their stays may be short as one of them will be replaced by Garcia this weekend, while the other could soon be replaced by the rehabbing Jason Motte.
Motte has yet to give up a run in 5 appearances between AA Springfield and AAA Memphis (4.2 IP, 2 hits, 1 walk, 3 K's) and his return would certainly provide a boost to the Cardinals pen.
Wednesday, April 16, 2014
Cardinals' Joe Kelly headed to DL. Who will take his place?
Joe Kelly injured his hamstring today trying to beat out a bunt, leaving the Cardinals with a hole in their starting rotation. Who are the candidates to replace Kelly? Let's take a look.
Carlos Martinez
Martinez, who lost out to Kelly for the 5th starter job, would be the obvious choice to replace him in the starting rotation. However, there are some factors working against him.
First, the Cardinals may think they are better off leaving him in the bullpen, where he has enjoyed success (1.86 ERA) in a setup role.
In addition, if the Cards take him out of the setup role, who would they use to replace him? Jason Motte is not ready yet. Perhaps the team could bring up veteran David Aardsma from AAA Memphis, but, coming off a season in which he posted a 4.31 ERA, can he be relied upon as the setup guy?
Finally, Martinez may need time to stretch out, after spending the first two-plus weeks of the season as a reliever. While he has gone more than one inning in 5 of his 7 appearances, he has not pitched more than 2 innings in any game.
Tyler Lyons
If the Cardinals decide to keep Martinez in the pen, Lyons would be the most logical choice.
For one thing, he has pitched well so far this season, going 2-0 with a 3.32 ERA in 3 starts.
Second, he is on the 40-man roster, so it would not required the Cardinals DFA's any of their current 40-man guys.
Finally, he pitched today at Memphis, so he would be in line to make Kelly's next start.
Boone Whiting/Tim Cooney
Both Whiting and Cooney could be dark horses to fill in for Kelly.
Both are off to good starts at AAA Memphis: Whiting is 0-1, but with a 1.98 ERA, while Cooney is 3-0 with a 2.04 ERA.
If the Cardinals are not ready to give Lyons another try as a starter, especially after he posted a 5.56 ERA last season in 8 starts and they do not want to move Martinez from the pen, then Whiting or Cooney could get the call.
Whiting has more high level experience, having made 21 starts at AAA last season, while this is Cooney's first season at AAA. However, Cooney has arguably more upside than Whiting.
In either case, neither of them is on the 40-man roster, so the Cardinals would have to make room for them, which makes it less likely that it will happen.
Prediction
The Cardinals will likely give Lyons the first shot to replace Kelly. This will allow the team to keep Martinez in the pen and keep his innings down. However, depending on how long Kelly is out (and how Lyons fares), the team could be forced to use Martinez.
Carlos Martinez
Martinez, who lost out to Kelly for the 5th starter job, would be the obvious choice to replace him in the starting rotation. However, there are some factors working against him.
First, the Cardinals may think they are better off leaving him in the bullpen, where he has enjoyed success (1.86 ERA) in a setup role.
In addition, if the Cards take him out of the setup role, who would they use to replace him? Jason Motte is not ready yet. Perhaps the team could bring up veteran David Aardsma from AAA Memphis, but, coming off a season in which he posted a 4.31 ERA, can he be relied upon as the setup guy?
Finally, Martinez may need time to stretch out, after spending the first two-plus weeks of the season as a reliever. While he has gone more than one inning in 5 of his 7 appearances, he has not pitched more than 2 innings in any game.
Tyler Lyons
If the Cardinals decide to keep Martinez in the pen, Lyons would be the most logical choice.
For one thing, he has pitched well so far this season, going 2-0 with a 3.32 ERA in 3 starts.
Second, he is on the 40-man roster, so it would not required the Cardinals DFA's any of their current 40-man guys.
Finally, he pitched today at Memphis, so he would be in line to make Kelly's next start.
Boone Whiting/Tim Cooney
Both Whiting and Cooney could be dark horses to fill in for Kelly.
Both are off to good starts at AAA Memphis: Whiting is 0-1, but with a 1.98 ERA, while Cooney is 3-0 with a 2.04 ERA.
If the Cardinals are not ready to give Lyons another try as a starter, especially after he posted a 5.56 ERA last season in 8 starts and they do not want to move Martinez from the pen, then Whiting or Cooney could get the call.
Whiting has more high level experience, having made 21 starts at AAA last season, while this is Cooney's first season at AAA. However, Cooney has arguably more upside than Whiting.
In either case, neither of them is on the 40-man roster, so the Cardinals would have to make room for them, which makes it less likely that it will happen.
Prediction
The Cardinals will likely give Lyons the first shot to replace Kelly. This will allow the team to keep Martinez in the pen and keep his innings down. However, depending on how long Kelly is out (and how Lyons fares), the team could be forced to use Martinez.
Sunday, March 16, 2014
Cardinals Spring Training Battle #2: The Bullpen
The good thing about having a solid team, like the Cardinals, is that there is not a lot of unsettled positions heading into the season. A little over a week ago, I took a look at the Cards 5th starter competition.
Tonight, I will look at the bullpen.
Sure Things
Given the way that they pitched last year, there are four pitchers who are virtual locks to open the season in the major league bullpen: Trevor Rosenthal, Seth Maness, Kevin Siegrist and veteran LOOGY Randy Choate.
Rosenthal is the Cardinals closer and should be for the whole season. Siegrist was nearly unhittable last season, posting a 0.45 ERA in 39.2 innings. Choate does was he always does, gets lefties out, holding them to a .176 average (.492 OPS) in 2013. Maness' performance this spring may give Mike Matheny some pause (9.39 ERA in 7.2 IP), but his 2.32 ERA and incredible 4.40 GO/AO ratio in 2013 is what probably matters more to Matheny.
The Almost Sure Thing
One of Joe Kelly or Carlos Martinez, whoever loses out in the 5th starter battle, will likely end up in the Cardinals pen to start the 2014 season.
Martinez performed well as the Cards eighth inning guy in the playoffs last year and could fill the same role this year. While Kelly was valuable to the team as a swingman last season.
The Battle
We can assume that the Cardinals will go with at least 7 relievers to start the season (maybe 8), so that leaves two spots open.
The leading candidates are Pat Neshek, Sam Freeman, Tyler Lyons, Jorge Rondon and Keith Butler.
Non-roster invitee, Neshek, has the advantage of experience, with a career 2.56 ERA in 9 seasons. He has also pitched well this spring allowing only 2 runs in 6 innings. He is likely going to earn one spot.
Freeman has a career 2.75 ERA in the minors and pitched well in his September callup last year (2.19 ERA in 12.1 IP). His main problem is his control (career 3.9 BB/9 in the minors).
Lyons has not pitched well this spring, allowing 8 runs in 6.2 IP. However, he did fare well in a relief role towards the end of last season (1 ER in 9.1 IP).
Rondon has yet to allow a run this spring in 6.1 IP. However, his minor league track record is less than stellar (4.86 ERA in 8 seasons).
Butler has the minor league stats (2.29 ERA and 265 K's in 212 IP), but has struggled with his control at the major league level, giving up 11 walks in 20 innings last year and 5 walks in 7.1 innings this spring.
Prediction
As of right now, I would have to go with Neshek and Freeman for the last two bullpen spots. Lyons will likely start the 2014 season in Memphis' rotation, while Rondon and Butler will likely ride the Memphis/St.Louis shuttle this season, whenever the Cards need a fresh arm.
Tonight, I will look at the bullpen.
Sure Things
Given the way that they pitched last year, there are four pitchers who are virtual locks to open the season in the major league bullpen: Trevor Rosenthal, Seth Maness, Kevin Siegrist and veteran LOOGY Randy Choate.
Rosenthal is the Cardinals closer and should be for the whole season. Siegrist was nearly unhittable last season, posting a 0.45 ERA in 39.2 innings. Choate does was he always does, gets lefties out, holding them to a .176 average (.492 OPS) in 2013. Maness' performance this spring may give Mike Matheny some pause (9.39 ERA in 7.2 IP), but his 2.32 ERA and incredible 4.40 GO/AO ratio in 2013 is what probably matters more to Matheny.
The Almost Sure Thing
One of Joe Kelly or Carlos Martinez, whoever loses out in the 5th starter battle, will likely end up in the Cardinals pen to start the 2014 season.
Martinez performed well as the Cards eighth inning guy in the playoffs last year and could fill the same role this year. While Kelly was valuable to the team as a swingman last season.
The Battle
We can assume that the Cardinals will go with at least 7 relievers to start the season (maybe 8), so that leaves two spots open.
The leading candidates are Pat Neshek, Sam Freeman, Tyler Lyons, Jorge Rondon and Keith Butler.
Non-roster invitee, Neshek, has the advantage of experience, with a career 2.56 ERA in 9 seasons. He has also pitched well this spring allowing only 2 runs in 6 innings. He is likely going to earn one spot.
Freeman has a career 2.75 ERA in the minors and pitched well in his September callup last year (2.19 ERA in 12.1 IP). His main problem is his control (career 3.9 BB/9 in the minors).
Lyons has not pitched well this spring, allowing 8 runs in 6.2 IP. However, he did fare well in a relief role towards the end of last season (1 ER in 9.1 IP).
Rondon has yet to allow a run this spring in 6.1 IP. However, his minor league track record is less than stellar (4.86 ERA in 8 seasons).
Butler has the minor league stats (2.29 ERA and 265 K's in 212 IP), but has struggled with his control at the major league level, giving up 11 walks in 20 innings last year and 5 walks in 7.1 innings this spring.
Prediction
As of right now, I would have to go with Neshek and Freeman for the last two bullpen spots. Lyons will likely start the 2014 season in Memphis' rotation, while Rondon and Butler will likely ride the Memphis/St.Louis shuttle this season, whenever the Cards need a fresh arm.
Monday, March 10, 2014
Carlos Martinez has early edge on Joe Kelly for 5th starter spot
I know its still early in spring training, but it appears that Carlos Martinez already has a leg up on Joe Kelly for the 5th starter job.
With each pitcher having two starts under their belt, Martinez has been more impressive so far, sporting a 3.00 ERA in his 6 innings of work, whereas Kelly has an unsightly 15.75 ERA in just 4 innings. Kelly was lit up in his last start against the Nationals, giving up 5 runs in just 2.1 innings, which is the main reason for his bloated ERA.
Of course, Kelly is probably wondering why he even has to try out for the 5th starter spot. Especially after posting a 9-2 record and 1.91 ERA in the second half of last season (12 starts).
Dark horse, Tyler Lyons, appears headed for AAA Memphis, after giving up 7 runs in just 0.1 innings today against Detroit. That ballooned his ERA up to 12.71 on the spring.
Whoever ends up with the job may not have it for long, as Jaime Garcia is making progress from his shoulder injury. According to Rick Hummel, Garcia will visit with Dr. James Andrews, starting today, to undergo two days of tests on his shoulder. Should everything check out fine, he could begin throwing as soon as Wednesday.
For his part, Garcia says he feels good and this is by no means a setback. If he continues to progress, I would estimate his return sometime late April or early May. However, as Cardinals fans are aware, these things almost never go smoothly.
In any case, Martinez seems to have positioned himself well for the 5th starter gig and I, along with Cardinals fans everywhere, will keep a close eye on how Garcia progresses.
With each pitcher having two starts under their belt, Martinez has been more impressive so far, sporting a 3.00 ERA in his 6 innings of work, whereas Kelly has an unsightly 15.75 ERA in just 4 innings. Kelly was lit up in his last start against the Nationals, giving up 5 runs in just 2.1 innings, which is the main reason for his bloated ERA.
Of course, Kelly is probably wondering why he even has to try out for the 5th starter spot. Especially after posting a 9-2 record and 1.91 ERA in the second half of last season (12 starts).
Dark horse, Tyler Lyons, appears headed for AAA Memphis, after giving up 7 runs in just 0.1 innings today against Detroit. That ballooned his ERA up to 12.71 on the spring.
Whoever ends up with the job may not have it for long, as Jaime Garcia is making progress from his shoulder injury. According to Rick Hummel, Garcia will visit with Dr. James Andrews, starting today, to undergo two days of tests on his shoulder. Should everything check out fine, he could begin throwing as soon as Wednesday.
For his part, Garcia says he feels good and this is by no means a setback. If he continues to progress, I would estimate his return sometime late April or early May. However, as Cardinals fans are aware, these things almost never go smoothly.
In any case, Martinez seems to have positioned himself well for the 5th starter gig and I, along with Cardinals fans everywhere, will keep a close eye on how Garcia progresses.
Wednesday, March 5, 2014
Spring Training Battle #1: 5th Starter
With Spring Training games already underway, its time to take a look at some of the Cardinals Spring Training Battles.
First off is the one that everyone will be paying attention to the 5th Starter job.
With Jaime Garcia out indefinitely, Carlos Martinez, Joe Kelly and Tyler Lyons will battle for the 5th spot in the rotation. Here's a breakdown of each of the candidates.
Joe Kelly
Kelly would have to be considered the favorite for the 5th spot, at least at this point.
Over the last two seasons, Kelly has compiled a 13-9 record and 3.03 ERA in 31 starts for the Cardinals, including 9-2 with a 1.91 ERA during the second half of 2013.
However, for some reason, the Cards do not appear to favor Kelly as a starter, forcing him to compete for the 5th spot despite those gaudy stats.
The same thing happened with Kelly in the spring of 2013. Kelly had to compete with Shelby Miller for the 5th spot, before eventually losing and being relegated to a long relief role.
Perhaps with his more recent success, the Cardinals will give him the 5th spot this year
Carlos Martinez
Martinez has probably the best stuff of the 3 competitors and it was somewhat telling the the Cardinals allowed him to pitch 3 innings in his first spring start.
The biggest question though is whether the Cardinals think they are better off with him in the rotation or the bullpen. Martinez was impressive in the 2013 postseason, manning the 8th inning role and setting up for closer Trevor Rosenthal.
With Jason Motte still recovering from Tommy John surgery, the Cardinals may want to return Martinez to that same 8th inning role, at least until Motte is ready.
In addition, Martinez could probably use some more time in AAA to work on his changeup before he is considered ready for the rotation. However, if he has an impressive spring he could force his way into the 5th spot.
Tyler Lyons
Lyons is a bit of a long shot to earn the 5th starter spot. He doesn't have the stuff of Martinez nor the experience of Kelly. However, what he does have is the fact that he's lefthanded.
If the Cardinals feel they are better off with a lefty in the rotation, Lyons would likely get the nod.
Besides, its not like he's chopped liver as a pitcher. He had an impressive 3.32 ERA in the hitter-friendly PCL in 2013 and won his first two big league starts, allowing just 2 runs in 14 innings, before the league adjusted (and he didn't).
However, he would have to have an outstanding spring to overtake both Kelly and Martinez.
Prediction
Overall I think Kelly will get the nod as the 5th starter. His experience and performance last year says he deserves the shot.
Martinez will likely be put in the bullpen to start the 2014 season, at least until Motte is ready. Then he will probaly be sent down to work on his secondary pitches.
Lyons will probably head to AAA to keep himself stretched out. He would likely be the first guy called up when the Cardinals need another starter.
First off is the one that everyone will be paying attention to the 5th Starter job.
With Jaime Garcia out indefinitely, Carlos Martinez, Joe Kelly and Tyler Lyons will battle for the 5th spot in the rotation. Here's a breakdown of each of the candidates.
Joe Kelly
Kelly would have to be considered the favorite for the 5th spot, at least at this point.
Over the last two seasons, Kelly has compiled a 13-9 record and 3.03 ERA in 31 starts for the Cardinals, including 9-2 with a 1.91 ERA during the second half of 2013.
However, for some reason, the Cards do not appear to favor Kelly as a starter, forcing him to compete for the 5th spot despite those gaudy stats.
The same thing happened with Kelly in the spring of 2013. Kelly had to compete with Shelby Miller for the 5th spot, before eventually losing and being relegated to a long relief role.
Perhaps with his more recent success, the Cardinals will give him the 5th spot this year
Carlos Martinez
Martinez has probably the best stuff of the 3 competitors and it was somewhat telling the the Cardinals allowed him to pitch 3 innings in his first spring start.
The biggest question though is whether the Cardinals think they are better off with him in the rotation or the bullpen. Martinez was impressive in the 2013 postseason, manning the 8th inning role and setting up for closer Trevor Rosenthal.
With Jason Motte still recovering from Tommy John surgery, the Cardinals may want to return Martinez to that same 8th inning role, at least until Motte is ready.
In addition, Martinez could probably use some more time in AAA to work on his changeup before he is considered ready for the rotation. However, if he has an impressive spring he could force his way into the 5th spot.
Tyler Lyons
Lyons is a bit of a long shot to earn the 5th starter spot. He doesn't have the stuff of Martinez nor the experience of Kelly. However, what he does have is the fact that he's lefthanded.
If the Cardinals feel they are better off with a lefty in the rotation, Lyons would likely get the nod.
Besides, its not like he's chopped liver as a pitcher. He had an impressive 3.32 ERA in the hitter-friendly PCL in 2013 and won his first two big league starts, allowing just 2 runs in 14 innings, before the league adjusted (and he didn't).
However, he would have to have an outstanding spring to overtake both Kelly and Martinez.
Prediction
Overall I think Kelly will get the nod as the 5th starter. His experience and performance last year says he deserves the shot.
Martinez will likely be put in the bullpen to start the 2014 season, at least until Motte is ready. Then he will probaly be sent down to work on his secondary pitches.
Lyons will probably head to AAA to keep himself stretched out. He would likely be the first guy called up when the Cardinals need another starter.
Saturday, February 22, 2014
Cardinals send Jaime Garcia back to St.Louis for tests on his shoulder.
Well, at least now we know why the Cardinals wanted Carlos Martinez to start this Spring.
According to Bob Nightengale, the Cardinals have sent lefty Jaime Garcia back to St.Louis for tests on his shoulder after he experienced discomfort.
This is not good news for Garcia or the Cards, as it appears the team's pitching depth will once again be tested this year.
Garcia has dealt with shoulder issues the last 2 years and, as anyone who follows injuries knows, shoulder injuries are the most troublesome for pitchers, with a much lower comeback rate than pitchers who undergo Tommy John surgery.
Thus, while its not totally surprising that his shoulder problems seem to be back, its a little surprising considering that the reports were that he had a successful bullpen session just last week.
Assuming the worst (and this is all speculation until the results of the tests are known), it makes a little more sense that the Cardinals were stretching out Martinez this spring. As I noted just a couple days ago, between Garcia's injury and Lance Lynn's 1st half/2nd half splits, there were enough concerns with the rotation to have a fresh arm ready.
However, even if Garcia is lost for the season, it is not a foregone conclusion that Martinez will replace him in the rotation.
Joe Kelly will have something to say about that. He may not have the huge upside and electric stuff that Martinez has, but he has gone 13-9 with a 3.03 ERA in 31 starts over the last two seasons.
In addition, we cannot forget about Tyler Lyons. The young lefty made 8 starts in 2013 for the Cards, posting a 2-4 record and 5.56 ERA. However, he only allowed one run in each of his first two starts and had a 7-2 record and 3.32 ERA in AAA Memphis.
Chances are the Cardinals will need all three of them, especially if Garcia misses extended time. Between potential innings limits for Michael Wacha and Martinez, as well as the fact that Kelly only pitched 124 innings in 2013, the Cards will be extra careful with their youngsters, which may lead Mike Matheny to potentially work out some sort of platoon with his young pitchers.
In any case, the Cardinals and their fans will hold their collective breaths until the results of Garcia's MRI are known.
According to Bob Nightengale, the Cardinals have sent lefty Jaime Garcia back to St.Louis for tests on his shoulder after he experienced discomfort.
This is not good news for Garcia or the Cards, as it appears the team's pitching depth will once again be tested this year.
Garcia has dealt with shoulder issues the last 2 years and, as anyone who follows injuries knows, shoulder injuries are the most troublesome for pitchers, with a much lower comeback rate than pitchers who undergo Tommy John surgery.
Thus, while its not totally surprising that his shoulder problems seem to be back, its a little surprising considering that the reports were that he had a successful bullpen session just last week.
Assuming the worst (and this is all speculation until the results of the tests are known), it makes a little more sense that the Cardinals were stretching out Martinez this spring. As I noted just a couple days ago, between Garcia's injury and Lance Lynn's 1st half/2nd half splits, there were enough concerns with the rotation to have a fresh arm ready.
However, even if Garcia is lost for the season, it is not a foregone conclusion that Martinez will replace him in the rotation.
Joe Kelly will have something to say about that. He may not have the huge upside and electric stuff that Martinez has, but he has gone 13-9 with a 3.03 ERA in 31 starts over the last two seasons.
In addition, we cannot forget about Tyler Lyons. The young lefty made 8 starts in 2013 for the Cards, posting a 2-4 record and 5.56 ERA. However, he only allowed one run in each of his first two starts and had a 7-2 record and 3.32 ERA in AAA Memphis.
Chances are the Cardinals will need all three of them, especially if Garcia misses extended time. Between potential innings limits for Michael Wacha and Martinez, as well as the fact that Kelly only pitched 124 innings in 2013, the Cards will be extra careful with their youngsters, which may lead Mike Matheny to potentially work out some sort of platoon with his young pitchers.
In any case, the Cardinals and their fans will hold their collective breaths until the results of Garcia's MRI are known.
Thursday, November 7, 2013
UCB Roundtable Day 3: The Cardinals 2014 starting rotation
For the United Cardinals Bloggers November project, we are conducting a roundtable discussion taking a look at the 2013 season and what the 2014 season may bring. To follow the Roundtable, be sure check out the United Cardinals Bloggers' website.
Today's question, posed by your truly, was as follows:
With incumbents Adam Wainwright, Shelby Miller, Lance Lynn, Michael Wacha, Joe Kelly returning, Jaime Garcia and John Gast likely returning from injury and Carlos Martinez, Tyler Lyons, Seth Maness and even Trevor Rosenthal as possibilities for the starting rotation, who would want in the starting rotation and what would you do with all the leftovers?
Here are the responses from my partners in crime.
Christine Coleman - Aaron Miles' Fastball
Mark Tomasik - Retro Simba
In seeing Mark Tomasik's reply, I realized I totally forgot to mention Lance Lynn. And, not surprisingly, that's because I don't see him staying -- trade bait, for sure, hopefully part of a trade to land a quality shortstop.
As Mark said, this leaves Joe Kelly and Lance Lynn out. Do I think
they are able to bring the return that the Cardinals want at shortstop?
No. Thus, given the risk of injuries, especially with Garcia (as most of
you will soon find out, I am not a big fan
of his), I think you hang on to Kelly and Lynn for at least the first
part of the season. Gast, who I do not think will be healthy yet, will
be in Memphis, and Lyons will likely be in the 'pen or shipped out.
Let’s start off with the easy
ones: John Gast had shoulder surgery near the end of July. The initial
reports were unclear as to the timetable for him to get back, but espn.com
reported that it would be 8 to 12 months. If that is the case, then the
earliest he would be able to throw again is right around opening day,
so I expect him to be in Memphis getting stronger and being able to step
in during the middle/late season if injury prompts a need for him.
John Nagel - CardinalsFarm.com
Today's question, posed by your truly, was as follows:
With incumbents Adam Wainwright, Shelby Miller, Lance Lynn, Michael Wacha, Joe Kelly returning, Jaime Garcia and John Gast likely returning from injury and Carlos Martinez, Tyler Lyons, Seth Maness and even Trevor Rosenthal as possibilities for the starting rotation, who would want in the starting rotation and what would you do with all the leftovers?
Here are the responses from my partners in crime.
Christine Coleman - Aaron Miles' Fastball
So many arms! So few starting slots! Obviously Adam Wainwright,
Shelby Miller and Michael Wacha are in the rotation, and Jaime Garcia
too. Trevor Rosenthal, as John Mozeliak said the other day, is going to
be in the bullpen and Seth Maness was too valuable this season with his
double-play-inducing magic out of the bullpen to give that up.
Despite all that he did this season, I just don't
see Joe Kelly being guaranteed a spot and can see another spring
training competition happening -- probably with the remaining pitchers
you listed here, in John Gast, Carlos Martinez and Tyler Lyons. I really
liked Martinez in that eighth inning role out of the bullpen, though,
and he succeeded there but I can see him more as a starter. Gast seems
headed to Memphis for me. Lyons is intriguing -- perhaps in the bullpen
to begin with, but available as a starter as needed too or if someone
else falters (which of course won't happen, right?)
Mark Tomasik - Retro Simba
Strongest
rotation: Adam Wainwright, Michael Wacha, Shelby Miller, Carlos
Martinez, Jaime Garcia. Like Wacha, Martinez is a special talent and
needs to start.
Trade material: Lance Lynn or Joe Kelly for a starting shortstop.
Bullpen: Trevor Rosenthal, closer; Lynn or Kelly, 8th inning; Seth Maness, 7th inning; Kevin Siegrist and Randy Choate as left-handed specialists.
Ready in Memphis: Tyler Lyons and John Gast are on-call to replace an injured or faltering starter.
Daniel Solzman, Redbird Rants
I couldn’t agree more. So many arms, not enough spots!
Christine Coleman (follow-up)
In seeing Mark Tomasik's reply, I realized I totally forgot to mention Lance Lynn. And, not surprisingly, that's because I don't see him staying -- trade bait, for sure, hopefully part of a trade to land a quality shortstop.
Joe Schwarz - stlcupofjoe’s Sports Page
In my opinion, you give every single pitcher that wants to start a
chance to do so in Spring Training, and this includes Trevor Rosenthal
and Kevin Siegrist. Will both likely end
up in the bullpen? Yep, but down the road when it comes time to re-sign
them, the Cardinals will have the leverage to say that they at least
gave them a shot to be a starting pitcher. Otherwise, their agents could
use that against the Cardinals saying they
"misused" their client or "didn't allow them to reach their full
potential."
However, this is my starting rotation at this time: Adam
Wainwright, Michael Wacha, Shelby Miller, Jaime Garcia, and Carlos
Martinez. I honestly believe Martinez has the best "stuff" of that group
and has the potential to become
great. Will he succeed in the role as a starting pitcher? That is
yet to be seen, but we will never know until he is given that shot. The
bullpen will always be a solid fallback option for Baby Pedro.
Ben Chambers - The View From Here
This is a great problem to have. The Cardinals have too many
talented starting pitchers and they have to figure out who it’s going to
be in the rotation!
Mo
and Matheny have already said that Rosenthal is coming back as the
closer. This is probably the best move for the team. Motte will be back
next year, but there are too many questions that need to be answered
first: Will he be able to pitch on back-to-back days? Will his stamina
hold all season? Will he have a semi-struggling year like Wainwright did
coming back from Tommy John? Will he still be able to hit 100 on the
mound? There are just too many unknowns at this point. I hope that the
Cardinals give him a shot in 2015 (although I am not sure how much of a
shot he’ll have then, either), but for 2014 he’s needed in the 9th
inning.
So, that leaves: Wainwright, Miller,
Garcia, Lynn, Wacha, Kelly, Martinez, Lyons, and Maness. I think Maness
continues in the bullpen. It’s always nice to have a guy out there who
you can trust to come in the game with runners on in late innings. Even
if he doesn’t get all the double plays next year, every bullpen needs at
least one guy like that. Lynn has been up-and-down both of the last two
years, and I really hope that they put him in the bullpen. He has the
ability to be great, and he’s shown that, but he also has the ability to
lose quite a few in a row, and he’s shown that, too.
Wainwright,
Wacha, and Garcis are the only three that are locks for the rotation.
Wainwright because he is the ace, Wacha because he is so talented, and
he has ice running through his veins. Garcia because he has been a
starter the entire time he’s been with the Cardinals and being a lefty,
it does keep the rotation from being strictly right-handed.
I
expect Lyons to also be in Memphis. He was great his first few starts,
but then he just went downhill. I don’t know why, but maybe the
Cardinals do. Either way, he probably needs a little time to get himself
back on track a little, and Memphis will provide him that opportunity.
Who
gets the last two spots? I think it’s Miller and Martinez. I would
personally like it to be Miller and Kelly. I think Kelly has good stuff,
and he showed it in 2013. He was one of the best pitchers in the second
half last year. Lowest ERAs for the second half of 2013 in the NL:
Kershaw at 1.59, Grienke at 1.85, and Kelly at 1.91. I really like him,
and I think he can be a 15-20 game winner if the Cardinals give him a
chance. Martinez might get the nod over him, but I would be personally
upset if it happens. Kelly currently is the better pitcher. If Martinez
gets the spot, Kelly will go back to being the long man out of the
bullpen. If Kelly gets the spot, I expect Martinez to be in Memphis.
No
matter who actually gets into the rotation, I am excited to see those
arms. The depth that the Cardinals have in starting pitching is unlike
any other team has. I will end with this stipulation: I could see one or
two of those guys being traded to get a SS, and that would change this
quickly, but as of right now, that’s what I think will happen.
John Nagel - CardinalsFarm.com
My rotation would be Wainwright, Miller, Wacha, Martinez, and Garcia as
well. The potential for those five is out of the planet. Joe Kelly is
intriguing, but I think he is near his peak value, but that doesn't mean
I want to trade him. I think he is great in the clubhouse and would be a
great fit in the bullpen.
Daniel Shoptaw - C70 At The Bat
Dan Buffa - Dose of Buffa
What to do with the others.....
Lynn: I
am going to disagree with you all that Lance Lynn does not have that
much trade value. I think people in St. Louis value him a little lower
than those in other MLB cities. If you look at his numbers and take out
the emotion, he has had a couple of solid seasons. I am not saying that
Lynn alone would net Profar or even Starlin Castro, but he could be a
very valuable trade chip. How many other teams would want a perennial 15
game winner?
Rosenthal: Don't let
Mozeliak fool you, Rosenthal will end up the 8th inning guy on one
condition, if Jason Motte is healthy. I know that Mo said he will begin
spring as the closer, but what else should he say? Motte is not
guaranteed to be healthy by then, but i don't think Jason loses his
closing spot due to injury. Wally Pipp may disagree with me.
Maness: As
much as I want Maness to start, the role he played this year was best
for the team, plus there isn't a starting spot for him in St. Louis. He
is one that could be a very solid starter somewhere else, but i am fine
with him as the DP man.
Lyons and Gast: Both begin the season in Memphis with opportunities to fill in at the MLB level.
Daniel Shoptaw - C70 At The Bat
I'd
agree pretty much entirely with what John wrote, but for his comments
on Rosenthal. In my mind, Rosie will be the closer, because by time you
can be comfortable with Motte and his recovery, Rosenthal will already
be entrenched. Given the myriad of issues surrounding a hard-throwing
reliever coming off surgery, including command issues, I can't imagine
that Motte would be anything more than an eighth-inning guy. Should
Rosenthal stumble and Motte look good, they might flip, but I'd be
shocked if Rosenthal doesn't get the first save chance of the year.
That's
a bit off topic, but being that I can't disagree with a rotation of
Wainwright, Wacha, Miller, Garcia and Martinez, what else am I going to
say?
Dan Buffa - Dose of Buffa
Being late to the party, I will basically break things down as best as I can without being redundant.
Matt Whitener, Cheap Seats Please
Wainwright, Miller and Wacha are the locks, so I won't waste time discussing them and why.
Maness, Gast, Lyons and Rosenthal aren't in the convo, for various reasons.
Nick Waeltz - Pitchers Hit Eighth
<Strauss'd> intrigue... </Strauss'd>
Josh Gilliam, Pitchers Hit Eighth
I'm sticking with Wainwright and Garcia to anchor the veteran portion of the starting five and then throwing darts after Wacha. The job Kelly did down the stretch while still adjusting to various roles gives him the nod as possibly the best #5 starter in the National League. That leaves a toss-up for the 3-4 spot between Miller and Lynn, both who could be former Cardinals as Nick pointed out.
My head says Lynn should be traded, but my heart wonders if the Miller/Kelly show may be coming to an end. Maybe a coin flip will solve it, but I hope the only uniform Shelby wears is the BOB for many years to come.
Finally, my thoughts
Barring
further injury, my starting rotation out of the listed candidates has
to Wainwright, Wacha, Garcia, Miller and Martinez unless Lance Lynn
finds a way to be not be traded.
Lynn is premium trade material. He has a fine
resume that includes over 30 wins in two seasons and good bullpen work.
He is young and hungry and may need a change of scenery to lower his
pouting potential.
Jaime is making 7 million this year so he needs to
be in the rotation and he is a lefty who can be great when he is on.
Let's hope his feelings are in check.
Joe
Kelly is Mr. Stretch. He can start, relieve, and close and will find
himself in that long arm bullpen spot to begin the season as insurance
in case someone gets hurt. Few can do what he does effectively. Be
solid out of the bullpen and win a lot of starts. His mindset is key
and helps him adjust. I am surprised teams don't target him in a trade
because of his versatility.
Lyons and Gast are Memphis starters until injuries
happen. They performed well in 2013 but won't climb over guys like
Martinez and Kelly for starts, at least not again. These guys are also
trade depth because they proved they can come up to big leagues and
instantly win games. Look for them to be add on's to big deals Mozelaik
keeps up his sleeve.
Trevor Rosenthal is a setup-closer with this team
for a long time. He has the makeup, ability and finish to go into the
ninth and let it rip. We saw it for good when he saved 3 games in the
final week of the season and basically made the Pirates, Dodgers and Red
Sox look stupid for a month. He has a propane heater and a decent
changeup and if he was going to try his hand at starting again, he would
have to redefine that third pitch. I get why he wants to start but at
this point it's futile. Jason Motte will be back but won't be ready to
even compete for the closer role until July. Motte had the surgery in
May of 2013 which means he may not touch a baseball diamond during a
real game until late April/early May. He will find his control and
slowly develop back into that stopper we knew from 2011 and 2012. He
will set up until the Cards really deem it necessary to switch him and
Rosenthal. If Trevor is throwing gas and closing everything, it won't
happen unless Motte is electric. I do think Motte gets back to the
closer role sometime, but too late for Rosenthal to switch back to
starting. Motte makes 6 million this year but needs to get healthy.
Rosenthal may say he would like to start but watching him close in
October I see a man empowered and having a lot of fun. Let's not
believe he is wanting to truly move just yet ladies and gents.
There I go too. Wow. Just like Shoptaw. HA! Must be a Daniel thing.
Waino, Wacha, Garcia, Miller and Martinez for me in early April.
Chris Mallonee - Bird On The Bat 82
If we are answering "who we would want" instead of "who do we think it
will be", then I will go with Wainwright, Wacha, Garcia, Miller, Lynn as
the Opening Day Starters.
Lynn had a nice turn-around in September and deserves a spot in the opening 2014 rotation in my opinion.
I would keep Kelly, Maness, Siegrist, and Rosenthal in the big-league bullpen as they were such vital pieces in 2013, and Kelly moves into that long-relief role to keep innings load off Wacha and a security net as Garcia gets back up to health. He is also the first inserted into the rotation when the inevitable injury occurs.
Gast, Lyons, and Martinez could start in the Memphis rotation. I don't think that would be a waste of Martinez as he is still so very young and needs to harness his power stuff and learn to go deeper into games. IF Gast is healthy near the start of the season, the Cardinals have three pretty good options for when a starter gets injured, and if 2014 follows the pattern of other years all of these guys will be called on at some point.
Lynn had a nice turn-around in September and deserves a spot in the opening 2014 rotation in my opinion.
I would keep Kelly, Maness, Siegrist, and Rosenthal in the big-league bullpen as they were such vital pieces in 2013, and Kelly moves into that long-relief role to keep innings load off Wacha and a security net as Garcia gets back up to health. He is also the first inserted into the rotation when the inevitable injury occurs.
Gast, Lyons, and Martinez could start in the Memphis rotation. I don't think that would be a waste of Martinez as he is still so very young and needs to harness his power stuff and learn to go deeper into games. IF Gast is healthy near the start of the season, the Cardinals have three pretty good options for when a starter gets injured, and if 2014 follows the pattern of other years all of these guys will be called on at some point.
Matt Whitener, Cheap Seats Please
Wainwright, Miller and Wacha are the locks, so I won't waste time discussing them and why.
I also don't want to delve too deep into what hasn't happened yet,
such as trades and situations like that. Basically, what it comes down
to is Joe Kelly, Lance Lynn, Jaime Garcia and Carlos Martinez in a
four-corners match, albeit one that is not that difficult to sort out.
Martinez has the best arm of the group (and maybe
the entire team). With the said, I'd like to see him in a year like
Rosenthal, at the end of the pen in some capacity. Motte's status is
uncertain and both Axford and Mujica are gone. Bottomline, the back end
of the bullpen is questionable, and bringing Martinez along there would
be a perfect way for him to gain some Big League experience and expand
his repertoire.
Garcia is purely a starter, and a much needed
left-handed one at that, so he's in there too from the moment he's
ready. All indications say that's spring training as of now, so that
brings the rotation to a four-man group.
For the final spot, I opt with Lance Lynn. He's not
always the popular choice, and surely isn't the most consistent of the
group, however, there are a lot of things that work in his favor. He's
still young, is steadily racking up experienced innings and still has a
great skills package that can develop. He would be as good of a
fourth/fifth starter that any team in the NL would have on their side.
So, if the Cardinals can break camp (for the first time since 2010) with a completely healthy rotation, I'd like to see a Wainwright, Miller, Garcia, Wacha, Lynn (in that order) mix take to the mound.
Nick Waeltz - Pitchers Hit Eighth
Who I would want: Wainwright, Wacha, Miller, Garcia, Martinez
Who I think it will be: Wainwright, Wacha, Garcia, Martinez, Kelly
Josh Gilliam, Pitchers Hit Eighth
I've given this way more thought than I should,
and the trio at the back-end keeps changing by the hour. Most of us
know it really doesn't matter who starts the season in the rotation,
however, the changing of the guard could be 2014.
I'm sticking with Wainwright and Garcia to anchor the veteran portion of the starting five and then throwing darts after Wacha. The job Kelly did down the stretch while still adjusting to various roles gives him the nod as possibly the best #5 starter in the National League. That leaves a toss-up for the 3-4 spot between Miller and Lynn, both who could be former Cardinals as Nick pointed out.
My head says Lynn should be traded, but my heart wonders if the Miller/Kelly show may be coming to an end. Maybe a coin flip will solve it, but I hope the only uniform Shelby wears is the BOB for many years to come.
Finally, my thoughts
The Cardinals have an abundance of riches with a stockpile of young arms to choose from for their starting rotation. The only locks I see for the 2014 rotation are Adam Wainwright, Shelby Miller and Michael Wacha.
Jaime Garcia should grab the 4th slot, but only if he proves to be healthy, which, when dealing with shoulder injuries, particularly labrum tears, is never a sure thing.
Lance Lynn will probably end up getting traded as part of a package for a shortstop, as he is in desperate need of a change in scenery.
That leaves Joe Kelly and Carlos Martinez to battle it out for the 5th spot. Kelly will probably be wondering what he has to do to prove he is a major league starter, especially after going 13-9 with a 3.03 ERA in 31 starts over the last two seasons. However, just like Shelby Miller did this spring, I see Martinez beating Kelly out for the last spot, leaving Kelly to return to his long relief role.
John Gast and Tyler Lyons will return to Memphis to provide depth and Seth Maness will return to the bullpen.
Trevor Rosenthal will start the season as the Cardinals closer and never look back, even when Jason Motte returns. After his dominant display at the end of the season and in the postseason, I just don't see him relinquishing the closer role.
Overall, its a good problem to have and one that will take the Cardinals some time to sort out both during the offseason and next spring.
Tuesday, September 10, 2013
Make it or break it time for Lance Lynn?
After another poor outing last Thursday, Cardinals GM Mozeliak and Manager Mike Matheny did not mince words about the importance of Wednesday's start for Lance Lynn. Mozeliak indicated that Lynn's next start could be his last to prove he belongs in the rotation, while Matheny echoed Mo's words, emphasizing the importance of getting Lynn sorted out.
If Lynn can return to the form that produced a 7-1 record with a 2.91 ERA through the end of May, it would greatly improve the Cardinals chances for a long postseason run. However, his recent stretch of 4 straight losses while giving up at least 4 runs in each game has not inspired confidence.
But, if the Cardinals are forced to replace Lynn in the rotation, who do they replace him with?
Jake Westbrook has been pretty brutal of late, giving up 5 runs (3 earned) in 1.1 innings his last time out, making a 12-1 lead nearly vanish and forcing the Cardinals to use an ailing Edward Mujica to close out a game that should not have required a closer.
Carlos Martinez has the stuff and the upside to be an front of the rotation starter, but has been used primarily out of the pen in the majors and was roughed up in his only start for the team. It also appears that the team does not have confidence in him.
Tyler Lyons started his Cardinals career with back-to-back 7-inning, one-run performances, but has given up at least 4 runs in each of his last 6 starts.
Personally, I would like to see Lynn get things straightened out, as he gives us the best chance to win when he's "on". However, if he cannot figure it out, I would like to see Martinez be given a chance to really show what he can do. However, its more likely that the team (i.e. Matheny) will go either with the veteran, Westbrook, or take another chance with Lyons, as Martinez seems to be far down on the depth chart in their eyes.
Neither Westbrook or Lyons seems very appealing to me, which is why I have my fingers crossed for a good performance from Lynn tomorrow night.
If Lynn can return to the form that produced a 7-1 record with a 2.91 ERA through the end of May, it would greatly improve the Cardinals chances for a long postseason run. However, his recent stretch of 4 straight losses while giving up at least 4 runs in each game has not inspired confidence.
But, if the Cardinals are forced to replace Lynn in the rotation, who do they replace him with?
Jake Westbrook has been pretty brutal of late, giving up 5 runs (3 earned) in 1.1 innings his last time out, making a 12-1 lead nearly vanish and forcing the Cardinals to use an ailing Edward Mujica to close out a game that should not have required a closer.
Carlos Martinez has the stuff and the upside to be an front of the rotation starter, but has been used primarily out of the pen in the majors and was roughed up in his only start for the team. It also appears that the team does not have confidence in him.
Tyler Lyons started his Cardinals career with back-to-back 7-inning, one-run performances, but has given up at least 4 runs in each of his last 6 starts.
Personally, I would like to see Lynn get things straightened out, as he gives us the best chance to win when he's "on". However, if he cannot figure it out, I would like to see Martinez be given a chance to really show what he can do. However, its more likely that the team (i.e. Matheny) will go either with the veteran, Westbrook, or take another chance with Lyons, as Martinez seems to be far down on the depth chart in their eyes.
Neither Westbrook or Lyons seems very appealing to me, which is why I have my fingers crossed for a good performance from Lynn tomorrow night.
Friday, August 30, 2013
Who will get the call to start for the Cardinals on Tuesday?
The Cardinals starting rotation is in a state of flux right now. As of today we know that Shelby Miller will pitch tonight against the Pirates and that Lance Lynn will pitch tomorrow. However, beyond that the starters are listed as TBD.
For Sunday, Joe Kelly would normally be the starter, as it would be his turn on normal rest. However, after his abbreviated outing on Wednesday, when he lasted on 2 innings against the Reds, the Cardinals could decide to bring back Adam Wainwright on short rest to face the Pirates.
That will likely be determined by how the Cards fare in their first two games against the Buccos. Lose both of them and Mike Matheny may want to use Wainwright to salvage the final game. Split the two games or win them both and Matheny may just stick with Kelly.
In either case, we know that Kelly and Wainwright will pitch on Sunday and Monday, we just don't know the order yet.
Which brings us to Tuesday.
Tyler Lyons made the last start when the Cardinals needed a 5th starter, but recent moves indicate that the team might want to go in another direction. For one thing, Carlos Martinez was sent to AAA Memphis to stretch out again as a starter, after pitching two innings in relief of Lyons on Monday. Martinez pitched last night and pitched brilliantly, striking out 9 in 7 innings of one-run ball. If he follows his normal 4 days of rest, he should be ready to start again on Tuesday.
In addition, the Cardinals optioned Michael Wacha to the minors yesterday, after he pitched 4 innings in relief of Wainwright on Wednesday. But, instead of optioning him to AAA Memphis, the Cardinals sent him to AA Springfield. As Springfield's season ends Monday, Wacha is eligible to return on Tuesday (Memphis' season ends on Tuesday, so Wacha would not have been able to return until Wednesday, if he was sent there).
Thus, it appears that the Cardinals are purposely keeping all of their options open when it comes to Tuesday's starter and, at this point, its anybody's guess who that will be.
For Sunday, Joe Kelly would normally be the starter, as it would be his turn on normal rest. However, after his abbreviated outing on Wednesday, when he lasted on 2 innings against the Reds, the Cardinals could decide to bring back Adam Wainwright on short rest to face the Pirates.
That will likely be determined by how the Cards fare in their first two games against the Buccos. Lose both of them and Mike Matheny may want to use Wainwright to salvage the final game. Split the two games or win them both and Matheny may just stick with Kelly.
In either case, we know that Kelly and Wainwright will pitch on Sunday and Monday, we just don't know the order yet.
Which brings us to Tuesday.
Tyler Lyons made the last start when the Cardinals needed a 5th starter, but recent moves indicate that the team might want to go in another direction. For one thing, Carlos Martinez was sent to AAA Memphis to stretch out again as a starter, after pitching two innings in relief of Lyons on Monday. Martinez pitched last night and pitched brilliantly, striking out 9 in 7 innings of one-run ball. If he follows his normal 4 days of rest, he should be ready to start again on Tuesday.
In addition, the Cardinals optioned Michael Wacha to the minors yesterday, after he pitched 4 innings in relief of Wainwright on Wednesday. But, instead of optioning him to AAA Memphis, the Cardinals sent him to AA Springfield. As Springfield's season ends Monday, Wacha is eligible to return on Tuesday (Memphis' season ends on Tuesday, so Wacha would not have been able to return until Wednesday, if he was sent there).
Thus, it appears that the Cardinals are purposely keeping all of their options open when it comes to Tuesday's starter and, at this point, its anybody's guess who that will be.
Friday, August 23, 2013
Cardinals place Jake Westbrook on the D.L. and recall Carlos Martinez
As expected and predicted by many, the Cardinals have removed Jake Westbrook from the starting rotation by placing him on the D.L. with a back injury. In a corresponding move, the Cards called up Carlos Martinez to replace Westbrook on the active roster. Mike Matheny has tabbed rookie Tyler Lyons to take Westbrook's scheduled start on Monday. Martinez will return to the bullpen role he filled earlier in the season.
As I wrote after his last start, Westbrook's time had come. He has been ineffective for over a month and, with the Cardinals in the heart of a pennant race, a change needed to be made.
As for Westbrook, its unclear what, if any, his role will be when he returns from his injury. In fact, its unclear whether he is really hurt or the Cardinals are trumping up his back problems so they can stash him on the D.L. for two weeks.
In any case, by the time Westbrook is eligible to return, rosters will have expanded so Martinez will be able to stay up with the team. The Cardinals and their fans are hoping that someone, whether it is Lyons, Martinez or Michael Wacha can establish himself in the rotation by that time, as they are running out of options and we all do not want to see the team forced to turn to Westbrook again.
As I wrote after his last start, Westbrook's time had come. He has been ineffective for over a month and, with the Cardinals in the heart of a pennant race, a change needed to be made.
As for Westbrook, its unclear what, if any, his role will be when he returns from his injury. In fact, its unclear whether he is really hurt or the Cardinals are trumping up his back problems so they can stash him on the D.L. for two weeks.
In any case, by the time Westbrook is eligible to return, rosters will have expanded so Martinez will be able to stay up with the team. The Cardinals and their fans are hoping that someone, whether it is Lyons, Martinez or Michael Wacha can establish himself in the rotation by that time, as they are running out of options and we all do not want to see the team forced to turn to Westbrook again.
Wednesday, August 21, 2013
Its time for the Cardinals to replace Jake Westbrook in the rotation
After giving up 4, 5, 9 and 6 earned runs in each of his last 4 appearances, many have speculated that today was make or break time for Jake Westbrook, including Rick Hummel.
Well, after being given a 7-run lead after 2 innings, Westbrook proceeded to give up 3 runs in the 3rd and 2 in the 5th before being lifted after just 4.2 innings.
Let's face it, Westbrook's ship is sinking and its time for the Cardinals to abandon ship.
Part of the blame for Westbrook's recent struggles can be put on manager Mike Matheny, who threw Westbrook into the fire on August 7th after starter Shelby Miller had to leave the game after two pitches due to injury.
Westbrook was a trooper, pitching 4.2 innings on just 3 days rest, giving up 9 runs. To compound the madness, Matheny gave Westbrook 8 days off before his next appearance, a start on August 16th and was forced to keep Westbrook out there as long as possible due to an overworked bullpen (2 extra-inning games in 3 previous days). Westbrook threw 124 pitches on August 16th, but lasted just 6.2 innings, giving up 7 runs (6 earned).
You could possibly forgive Westbrook for those two bad outings, as he was out of his routine. However, today he had no such excuses, working on normal rest.
The problem with Westbrook is that he pitches to contact, relying on groundballs to get him out of jams. But, with a defense that is below-par in terms of range, a lot more of those groundballs have been finding holes of late.
Now Matheny faces a difficult decision, should he replace Westbrook in the rotation and, if so, with who?
Michael Wacha is probably the logical choice, but Carlos Martinez and Tyler Lyons are also decent options.
In addition, what do you do with Westbrook if you bump him from the rotation? Move him to the pen? As Bernie Miklasz pointed out a while back, Jake needs more time than most pitchers to warm up, not just throwing, but an elaborate pregame routine that involves the trainers. Can that translate to the bullpen? Probably not.
Would the Cardinals just release Westbrook? That's a definite possibility. They have enough depth behind him to let him go and latch on with another team. However, its more likely that the Cardinals will come up with some "injury" to give Jake some extra rest and then let him see if he can work out his issues on a minor league rehab assignment. If that doesn't work out, then he'd likely be released.
In any case, this should be the last we see of Westbrook in the Cardinals rotation.
Well, after being given a 7-run lead after 2 innings, Westbrook proceeded to give up 3 runs in the 3rd and 2 in the 5th before being lifted after just 4.2 innings.
Let's face it, Westbrook's ship is sinking and its time for the Cardinals to abandon ship.
Part of the blame for Westbrook's recent struggles can be put on manager Mike Matheny, who threw Westbrook into the fire on August 7th after starter Shelby Miller had to leave the game after two pitches due to injury.
Westbrook was a trooper, pitching 4.2 innings on just 3 days rest, giving up 9 runs. To compound the madness, Matheny gave Westbrook 8 days off before his next appearance, a start on August 16th and was forced to keep Westbrook out there as long as possible due to an overworked bullpen (2 extra-inning games in 3 previous days). Westbrook threw 124 pitches on August 16th, but lasted just 6.2 innings, giving up 7 runs (6 earned).
You could possibly forgive Westbrook for those two bad outings, as he was out of his routine. However, today he had no such excuses, working on normal rest.
The problem with Westbrook is that he pitches to contact, relying on groundballs to get him out of jams. But, with a defense that is below-par in terms of range, a lot more of those groundballs have been finding holes of late.
Now Matheny faces a difficult decision, should he replace Westbrook in the rotation and, if so, with who?
Michael Wacha is probably the logical choice, but Carlos Martinez and Tyler Lyons are also decent options.
In addition, what do you do with Westbrook if you bump him from the rotation? Move him to the pen? As Bernie Miklasz pointed out a while back, Jake needs more time than most pitchers to warm up, not just throwing, but an elaborate pregame routine that involves the trainers. Can that translate to the bullpen? Probably not.
Would the Cardinals just release Westbrook? That's a definite possibility. They have enough depth behind him to let him go and latch on with another team. However, its more likely that the Cardinals will come up with some "injury" to give Jake some extra rest and then let him see if he can work out his issues on a minor league rehab assignment. If that doesn't work out, then he'd likely be released.
In any case, this should be the last we see of Westbrook in the Cardinals rotation.
Friday, June 21, 2013
Tyler Lyons roughed up again. Does this spell the end for his spot in the rotation?
After lasting just 1.2 innings tonight while allowing 4 runs on 3 hits and 3 walks, it appears that Tyler Lyons time in the Cardinals starting rotation is nearing its end.
With three off days coming up, the Cards can skip Lyons' turn in the rotation and give themselves some time to figure out who they'll use the next time a 5th starter is needed.
The Cardinals have days off on June 24, 27 and July 1. Thus, the next time the Cardinals need a 5th starter is on July 6th against the Marlins. Not a bad team for a pitcher to make his first major league start against.
Who might they call up?
My money is on Carlos Martinez. However, the Cardinals have surprised us with their decisions before, going against the grain or conventional thought.
Another option might be Boone Whiting. He has pitched well at Memphis, with a 4-2 record and 3.86 ERA. The 18th round pick in 2010, would be on schedule to pitch on July 6th.
In any case, we'll likely have to wait a couple weeks to see what happens, until then we keep guessing.
With three off days coming up, the Cards can skip Lyons' turn in the rotation and give themselves some time to figure out who they'll use the next time a 5th starter is needed.
The Cardinals have days off on June 24, 27 and July 1. Thus, the next time the Cardinals need a 5th starter is on July 6th against the Marlins. Not a bad team for a pitcher to make his first major league start against.
Who might they call up?
My money is on Carlos Martinez. However, the Cardinals have surprised us with their decisions before, going against the grain or conventional thought.
Another option might be Boone Whiting. He has pitched well at Memphis, with a 4-2 record and 3.86 ERA. The 18th round pick in 2010, would be on schedule to pitch on July 6th.
In any case, we'll likely have to wait a couple weeks to see what happens, until then we keep guessing.
Wednesday, June 19, 2013
Michael Wacha's not coming back anytime soon
After Tyler Lyons struggled in his last start, many were quick to speculate that the Cardinals might make a change in the rotation again, perhaps even bringing Michael Wacha back. However, the way they are handling their starting pitchers down at AAA Memphis tells a different story.
As reported by Derrick Goold, the Cardinals are shifting to a modified 6-man rotation down at Memphis to help monitor the innings for Wacha. In the meantime, the Cardinals other top prospect, Carlos Martinez, will stay on his normal 5 day rotation, to build up stamina to be ready in case he's needed at the major league level at the end of June.
Thus, its pretty obvious that, should Lyons falter, Martinez would be the next in line for the 5th starter spot.
The Cardinals have already done their part to keep Martinez' innings down by using him in the major league bullpen for a month. Plus, his visa delay at the start of the season also worked in his favor. Thus, between the majors and minors, Martinez has only logged 41.2 innings so far, compared to 75.1 innings for Wacha.
If Martinez were to be called up at the beginning of July, the Cardinals would have about 81 games left, which would give him about 16 starts with the club (plus, maybe another 2-3 starts at Memphis). Assuming 6 innings per start, that would be 114 innings and, combined with his innings to date, would put him at 155.2 IP. If we assume that Martinez is on the same 150 innings limit as Wacha, then that would be a reasonable innings total.
Based on that, it appears that Martinez is being prepared to take over the starting role at the end of June and for the rest of the season, if necessary, and Wacha is now out of the picture.
As for Wacha, I could see him getting another 10 or so starts at Memphis and then being called up in September to work out of the pen for the Cards. This would be the ideal situation for him and could provide a boost to the Cardinals beleaguered pen down the stretch.
As reported by Derrick Goold, the Cardinals are shifting to a modified 6-man rotation down at Memphis to help monitor the innings for Wacha. In the meantime, the Cardinals other top prospect, Carlos Martinez, will stay on his normal 5 day rotation, to build up stamina to be ready in case he's needed at the major league level at the end of June.
Thus, its pretty obvious that, should Lyons falter, Martinez would be the next in line for the 5th starter spot.
The Cardinals have already done their part to keep Martinez' innings down by using him in the major league bullpen for a month. Plus, his visa delay at the start of the season also worked in his favor. Thus, between the majors and minors, Martinez has only logged 41.2 innings so far, compared to 75.1 innings for Wacha.
If Martinez were to be called up at the beginning of July, the Cardinals would have about 81 games left, which would give him about 16 starts with the club (plus, maybe another 2-3 starts at Memphis). Assuming 6 innings per start, that would be 114 innings and, combined with his innings to date, would put him at 155.2 IP. If we assume that Martinez is on the same 150 innings limit as Wacha, then that would be a reasonable innings total.
Based on that, it appears that Martinez is being prepared to take over the starting role at the end of June and for the rest of the season, if necessary, and Wacha is now out of the picture.
As for Wacha, I could see him getting another 10 or so starts at Memphis and then being called up in September to work out of the pen for the Cards. This would be the ideal situation for him and could provide a boost to the Cardinals beleaguered pen down the stretch.
Tuesday, June 18, 2013
Is Trevor Rosenthal now pigeonholed as a reliever?
Bernie Miklasz had an interesting article today discussing the possibility of the Cardinals trading for Cliff Lee (something that I already discussed here). While an interesting analysis and one that reached the same conclusion as I did (we don't need Lee), what really caught my eye was his discussion of the 2014 starting pitching logjam.
Here's what Bernie had to say about the Cardinals glut of starting pitching for 2014:
Is it already a forgone conclusion that Rosenthal will remain a reliever for 2014 and beyond?
Heading into this spring, there was suppose to be a 3-man battle for the 5th starter spot between Shelby Miller, Joe Kelly and Trevor Rosenthal. However, Rosenthal was only given a token chance, as he was only given one start before he was moved to the bullpen.
Next spring, with Jake Westbrook likely becoming a free agent and Jaime Garcia's availability at the start of the season up in the air, there will likely be two spots open. Will Rosenthal even be part of that battle?
It seems unlikely, as the Cardinals should have Michael Wacha, John Gast, Carlos Martinez, Joe Kelly, Seth Maness and Tyler Lyons all battling for those two spots, making the need to use Rosenthal as a starter uneccessary.
Normally I'm opposed to relegating a top arm to the bullpen when he can be much more valuable as a starting pitcher. However, in this case, it probably makes the most sense. Edward Mujica will likely be gone via free agency and with the struggles of Mitchell Boggs and Jason Motte recovering from Tommy John surgery, the Cardinals will likely need Rosenthal to be the 9th inning guy.
It just would have been nice if he had been given a chance as a starter first, because now we'll never know what we might be missing.
Here's what Bernie had to say about the Cardinals glut of starting pitching for 2014:
Looking beyond 2013, Lee could slide into the Westbrook slot for 2014 because Westbrook becomes a free agent after this year. But with Lee in the mix, that would still leave the Cardinals with Wainwright, Lee, Lynn, Miller, Wacha, Martinez, Kelly. Let's not leave Seth Maness off the list; the Cardinals like him a lot. And there’s also Jaime Garcia, who should rehab his rotator cuff in time to pitch at some point in 2014. You can throw Lyons into the mix, too. And other potential starters will likely emerge from the system. We’ve already mentioned at least nine or 10 starting-pitcher entries for 2014 and beyond.Yes, he mentioned 9 or 10 starting pitchers, but nowhere does he mention Trevor Rosenthal.
Is it already a forgone conclusion that Rosenthal will remain a reliever for 2014 and beyond?
Heading into this spring, there was suppose to be a 3-man battle for the 5th starter spot between Shelby Miller, Joe Kelly and Trevor Rosenthal. However, Rosenthal was only given a token chance, as he was only given one start before he was moved to the bullpen.
Next spring, with Jake Westbrook likely becoming a free agent and Jaime Garcia's availability at the start of the season up in the air, there will likely be two spots open. Will Rosenthal even be part of that battle?
It seems unlikely, as the Cardinals should have Michael Wacha, John Gast, Carlos Martinez, Joe Kelly, Seth Maness and Tyler Lyons all battling for those two spots, making the need to use Rosenthal as a starter uneccessary.
Normally I'm opposed to relegating a top arm to the bullpen when he can be much more valuable as a starting pitcher. However, in this case, it probably makes the most sense. Edward Mujica will likely be gone via free agency and with the struggles of Mitchell Boggs and Jason Motte recovering from Tommy John surgery, the Cardinals will likely need Rosenthal to be the 9th inning guy.
It just would have been nice if he had been given a chance as a starter first, because now we'll never know what we might be missing.
Sunday, June 16, 2013
How long is Tyler Lyons' leash?
I can understand the Cardinals decision to option Michael Wacha back to the minors. I made the case for doing the same thing a couple weeks ago. Wacha is only one year removed from college and still has things to work on before he truly reaches his potential.
Tyler Lyons had two excellent starts to start his major league career, but has gotten progressively worse since then. In his third start, he only allowed two runs while he was in the game (the bullpen allowed two of his runners to score). In his 4th start he allowed 4 runs in 5.1 innings and in his start tonight, he allowed 6 runs in 5.1 innings.
This makes one think how many more chances Lyons will get to turn things around before the Cardinals decide to try someone else?
Lyons currently has a 4.65 ERA and the Carindals are 2-3 in his starts. Despite his recent clunkers, the Cardinals are not going to recall Wacha anytime soon to take Lyons' place. They made their decision and they are going to stay with it for a time.
Another thing that may come in to play is how Chris Carpenter and/or John Gast progress from their injuries. If either one of them show that they could be ready to return in 3-4 weeks, the Cards may decide to stick with Lyons until that time.
The Cardinals have that luxury with a 2.5 game lead in the NL Central standings and the best record in the majors. It should help that the Cardinals face one of the easiest stretches on their schedule facing sub .500 teams in 18 of the next 24 games. However, if the Cards should slip a little and Lyons continues to struggle, they will not hesitate to make a change.
Its obvious that the league has adjusted to Lyons. Now its up to him to make adjustments if he wants to stay in the rotation.
Tyler Lyons had two excellent starts to start his major league career, but has gotten progressively worse since then. In his third start, he only allowed two runs while he was in the game (the bullpen allowed two of his runners to score). In his 4th start he allowed 4 runs in 5.1 innings and in his start tonight, he allowed 6 runs in 5.1 innings.
This makes one think how many more chances Lyons will get to turn things around before the Cardinals decide to try someone else?
Lyons currently has a 4.65 ERA and the Carindals are 2-3 in his starts. Despite his recent clunkers, the Cardinals are not going to recall Wacha anytime soon to take Lyons' place. They made their decision and they are going to stay with it for a time.
Another thing that may come in to play is how Chris Carpenter and/or John Gast progress from their injuries. If either one of them show that they could be ready to return in 3-4 weeks, the Cards may decide to stick with Lyons until that time.
The Cardinals have that luxury with a 2.5 game lead in the NL Central standings and the best record in the majors. It should help that the Cardinals face one of the easiest stretches on their schedule facing sub .500 teams in 18 of the next 24 games. However, if the Cards should slip a little and Lyons continues to struggle, they will not hesitate to make a change.
Its obvious that the league has adjusted to Lyons. Now its up to him to make adjustments if he wants to stay in the rotation.
Friday, June 14, 2013
Michael Wacha is odd man out for Cardinals rotation
After much debate and discussion, the Cardinals finally decided today to keep Tyler Lyons in the starting rotation and option Michael Wacha to AAA Memphis. Derrick Goold tweeted this just minutes ago and Rick Hummel confirmed it.
I can't say that I'm surprised by the decision. Wacha is still just one year removed from pitching in college and could probably use some additional development time--primarily to work on his breaking ball. In addition, this will help the Cards to keep his innings down and potentially avoid Super Two status as well.
However, I am disappointed. Like many of you, I have developed a huge man crush on Wacha. It started with his impressive spring and only got stronger with his incredible first major league start and his ability to adjust in his last start. (It doesn't hurt either that I have him on more than one fantasy team as well).
Make no mistake about it, Wacha time is coming (again) in the not-to-distant future. I could definitely see him coming back up in September to fill a bullpen role down the stretch, much like Shelby Miller before him. He will also be the leading candidate to step into the rotation next year to replace likely free agent Jake Westbrook (although Carlos Martinez might have something to say about that).
In the meantime, Cardinals fans will just have to wait and watch his development at AAA.
I can't say that I'm surprised by the decision. Wacha is still just one year removed from pitching in college and could probably use some additional development time--primarily to work on his breaking ball. In addition, this will help the Cards to keep his innings down and potentially avoid Super Two status as well.
However, I am disappointed. Like many of you, I have developed a huge man crush on Wacha. It started with his impressive spring and only got stronger with his incredible first major league start and his ability to adjust in his last start. (It doesn't hurt either that I have him on more than one fantasy team as well).
Make no mistake about it, Wacha time is coming (again) in the not-to-distant future. I could definitely see him coming back up in September to fill a bullpen role down the stretch, much like Shelby Miller before him. He will also be the leading candidate to step into the rotation next year to replace likely free agent Jake Westbrook (although Carlos Martinez might have something to say about that).
In the meantime, Cardinals fans will just have to wait and watch his development at AAA.
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